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El "oro del valor", o unas hermosas moscas

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El "oro del valor", o unas hermosas moscas

Notapor Evelyn » 22 May 2006, 01:47

Ahlan!!!

Los soldados egipcios, en recompensa por sus hazañas bélicas (como podemos leer en la autobiografía de Ahmose, hijo de Abana), recibían tierras, esclavos, y una recompensa llamada el "oro del valor", consistente en un collar con tres grandes moscas de oro pendiendo de él. Mi pregunta es: ¿A qué se debe la elección de las moscas?

Un saludo,

EVIE
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Notapor Alya » 22 May 2006, 14:08

He encontrado este artículo al respecto, a ver si te sirve:
"The Golden Fly of Valour
Ancient Egypt is the home to many handcrafts. The Ancient Egyptians excelled in metalwork, stonemasonry, sculpture, and jewellery making. Jewellery was one of Ancient Egypt’s most magnificent crafts. It was used for adornment, protection as well as an indication of wealth and social status. Jewellery also was associated with religious activities and musical instruments. Overall, Ancient Egyptian Jewellery not only served as ornamental objects, but it also carried a profound significance.
Of the most famous specimens of jewellery is the “Golden Fly of Valour,†also known as “The Order of the Golden Fly.†It was a fly-shaped pendant, which was mostly made of gold, even though some silver examples have been found.
Fly shaped amulets started appearing as early as the pre-dynastic Naqqada II phase, and the fly was depicted in hieroglyphs as early as then as the sign for “determinator,†and has always been depicted on various ritualistic artefacts throughout the Old and Middle Kingdoms. , such as the so called “magic wand,†(Shaw, Nicholson 1995: 101). Even though the fly started gaining significance and appearing as beads strung on necklaces during the Middle Kingdom, it was not until the New Kingdom when the fly became an important award for military valour (Williams 1924: 61).
Scholars vary on the historical significance of this object. Alix Wilkinson says that even though the Golden Fly of Valour was once awarded for military achievement, it could have been awarded to any courtier (1971: 99-98). Cyril Aldred’s view regarding the significance of the fly is similar to that of Wilkinson. Aldred adds that this object was distributed by the pharaoh on special occasions, such as jubilee, Heb-Seds, and coronation, not necessarily as a military award (1971: 19). An older, yet similar view regarding the significance of this piece is that of Caroline R. Williams’. In 1924, Williams published a book in which she claims that this piece could not have been awarded for military achievement as the most famous examples of the Golden Fly of Valour belonging to a woman, Queen Ah-hotep of the XVIIIth dynasty, and at the time, scholars did not believe women were active in war. Moreover, a necklace carrying 33 small fly pendants was found in the tomb of three of Tutmosis the third’s wives (Williams 1924: 98-99), which the author believes was not theirs, but was their husbands’.
The author thinks that overall, the fly was indeed awarded for military achievement because of its resemblance to the persistence of the enemies. According to the British Dictionary of Ancient Egypt, the fly is the hieroglyphic sign of the word “determinator,†and is the symbol for the sound “aff,†(Shaw, Nicholson 1995: 101). The author assumes that the fly was used as this word, as it is just like the determined enemy, no matter how much it is “shooed†away, it comes back, and one’s exasperation with a bothersome fly is often expressed in a sound similar to “affâ€. These have made the author suppose that the fly was associated with the military because of its determinacy as the enemy, as well as the fly’s tendency to hang around battlefields were blood is being shed.
Supporting the argument many scholars put forth, several non-military personnel were depicted wearing the Golden Fly of Valour, as well as the discovery of fly pendants in their tombs. For example, fly pendants were found in the burial place of Senmut, the royal butler of Hatshepsut. One of gold and one of silver were found in his tomb, as well as other representations on the walls. A statue of a man at Tell Edfu was found with fly pendants around his neck. Amongst the royals who owned the flies were XIXth dynasty Queen Tawosret, three wives of Tutmosis III, as well as the most renowned fly pendants from Queen Ah-hotep’s burial at Dra’ Abul Naga.
Flies also appeared in many neighbouring cultures. In Nubia, gold-headed fly amulets were common (Wilkinson 1971:99), and in the Greek Island of Cyprus, examples of fly shaped pendants were found that were imported, probably form Egypt (Williams 1924: 62)."
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Notapor RamsesMagma » 22 May 2006, 23:35

Bueno la respuesta de Alya no me sirve en realidad por que soy un ignorante en las otras lenguas, sólo conzco la mía.

Yo tamíén he leido acerca de ese collar de las tres moscas que eran señal de condecoración para los valerosos guerreros. Sólo lo he leído encontrando respuesta en mi mismo no como conocimiento sino como especulación porque no me dan explicación. Espero que mi especualción no la tomen como subjetiva sino que durante estos pensamientos trataba sacarlas de toda ambiguedad.

Yo creo que la representación de las moscas fue porque justamente ellas representaban en el antigiuo egipto señal de depredación, eran tan agustiosas que causaban la muerte proliferada de los habitantes del valle del Nilo, ya sabemos por la malaria que los diezmaba y la luctuosidad del tábano. Estos insectos personificaban el poder que los egipcios podían ejercer sobre su enemigos val momento de picarles con sus lanzas o sus funebres saetas tan afamadas en aquel tiempo.

Es todo cuanto puedo decir, si alguién cree que estoy mal, por favor hágamelo saber para poder así formar una nueva conclusión depués de nuestros argumentos.
El hermetismo egipcio es lo mejor...
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